Nagel
1:04 Mon Aug 2
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So, you admit now that Barca and Madrid were always at the top and it was in fact the English clubs who tried to buy their way to the top table? The complete reverse of what you were saying before.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:56 Mon Aug 2
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The top 2 in the Spanish league is pretty much a given every season and has been since the days of 405-line, black & white TV.
Places outside the top 2 are the ones where a true competition decides qualification.
Chelsea and Manchester City bought their way to success against the then existing big EPL clubs - Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United.
Arsenal are currently showing what happens when you stop spending.
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Nagel
12:43 Mon Aug 2
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So, how come more Spanish teams have competed in the CL than English? And Italian teams the same as English? You think there's only 2 decent teams in Spain, so how come Villareal, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, and Sevilla have all won the Europa League in recent years?
In any case, you're talking about something different now. Before you were saying that these clubs had to pay loads of money to compete with English clubs, when in reality it was the English clubs like Chelsea and Man City who had to pay their way to compete with the Spanish and Italian clubs who have dominated European football since those competitions began.
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Mad Dog
12:39 Mon Aug 2
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Nagel. How many different clubs have there been?
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Mike Oxsaw
12:33 Mon Aug 2
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Nagel 12:22 Mon Aug 2
The number of clubs per nation is a pretty pointless statistic without also including the names of those clubs.
One club could be a finalist on multiple occasions yet that tells you nothing about the structure of the national league in which they play.
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Nagel
12:22 Mon Aug 2
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Mike Oxsaw,
Look at the history of European cup/CL finalists since the 50s:
Spain: 29
Italy: 28
England: 24
Germany: 18
The nations who you laughably think are Spain & Italy's peers have less than 10 each.
As for there being only a few clubs any good in those leagues then why has Spain had more different teams qualifying for the CL (13) than England (10), and why have Spanish teams won 10 of the last 16 Europa League finals?
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Kaiser Zoso
12:15 Mon Aug 2
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Thread?
Moron
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Mike Oxsaw
12:14 Mon Aug 2
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Mex Martillo 12:07 Mon Aug 2
So we end up with 3 or 4 competitions, each legally claiming that the winners of their competition are "Champions of Europe".
Can we go all BOGOF on this and have 3 World Cups, too?
Competition in football is supposed to be on the pitch, not the profit & loss sheet.
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,
12:12 Mon Aug 2
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“The thread of government action”, what nonsense.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:09 Mon Aug 2
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Nagel 11:59 Mon Aug 2
OK - how did they earn their places then?
The gulf between the best and worst in both the EPL & Bundesliga is relatively small when compared to nearly all other European leagues - that is what makes them so interesting and competitive.
The Spanish and Italian giants thought they could bypass the competitive route to the top and grease the necessary palms on the way to success. This is why the same names from these countries appear in European football every year.
The richest of the EPL & Bundesliga can exert a similar effect but it is not total control, as Leicester showed in winning the league, we are currently showing by missing CL by a whisker, and, in a reverse display, so are the likes of Arsenal (and Tottenham) by moving in the opposite direction.
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Mex Martillo
12:07 Mon Aug 2
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In Spain, fans or La Liga didn’t seem so bothered about the European Super League (ESL). Florentino Perez went to the European Court and argued that UEFA had no right under European law to fine them for what they did to set up the group with the aim to establish an ESL. European Court agreed and UEFA has backed down about fining the three that are left, even though they fined the clubs that abandoned the project. Now the European Court is questioning if UEFAs monopoly to organise European football is breaking European monopoly laws.
I find it quite entertaining as I really dislike the whole lot of them, UEFA, FIFA and clubs that over value their importance.
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chim chim cha boo
12:04 Mon Aug 2
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Haha! Fair enough.
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Kaiser Zoso
12:00 Mon Aug 2
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Maybe so, but don’t mistake my post as bigging up Johnson, because I wasn’t. The threat of government action killed it off and I’d have hoped Labour would have arrived at the same conclusion, and the Greens and Lib Dems. The SNP wouldn’t really count as they’d never have a team in it in a month of Sundays.
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Nagel
11:59 Mon Aug 2
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"Some Spanish and Italian clubs bought their way onto the top table on the never-never. They tried to compete with the best of likes of England and Germany when their true peer group is Holland, Belgium, France and even Scotland."
Probably the most stupid thing I've read on here this year. Well done.
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threesixty
11:56 Mon Aug 2
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Just to further the point about the Spanish especially,
Unlike the PL, the two spanish giants did not have a revenue share for their league. They took all the tv money themselves for the last 20 odd years.
That seperated them from the rest of the clubs finanically and the subsequently got drunk on their own riches.
The downside is that making everyone richer eventually makes you better off as can be seen with the PL. Everyones is healthier businesswise. The Spanish were very greedy and shortsighted.
Barca and Real have ruined their league.
And now Barca want the league to bend over backwards to accomodate Messi instead of doing the normal business thing of selling him last season and wiping out half of their debts.
They deserve to sink really. Real too.
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chim chim cha boo
11:55 Mon Aug 2
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Kaiser Zoso 11:01 Mon Aug 2
Wasn't it all around the papers that Johnson met Woodward and said that the European super League was 'a great idea' then number 10 said that Johnson 'doesn't know very much about football' and in typical fashion shit himself when it all kicked off with the fans?
It's just a short Google away from the truth, and not just on (yawn) Communist websites like the BBC either.
A populist politician with more faces than the town hall clock strikes again.
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Mike Oxsaw
11:49 Mon Aug 2
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Being a football fan and a voter are not mutually exclusive.
One look at the PL audience (TV viewers as well as those that actually go to games) meant that at least one of the major parties would jump on this given the noise so many fans made.
Boris got in first (being in a position to actually do something rather than waiting to maybe be voted in to be able to do something after the horse had long bolted helped).
Make no mistake, this would have decimated top level football as the world knows and loves it.
Some Spanish and Italian clubs bought their way onto the top table on the never-never. They tried to compete with the best of likes of England and Germany when their true peer group is Holland, Belgium, France and even Scotland.
They seem to have realised that "never-never" is morphing into "well, maybe some time soon" insofar as rolling debts over is concerned.
They've spent all their savings, borrowed against any potential future income, maxed out their credit and even pay-day loan companies are not interested (which resulted in an attempt to drag West Ham into the mix a while back).
If the "Great Reset" puts such clubs back in their natural place and ruins all those involved in running what was effectively a sports-themed Ponzi scheme, so much the better for the game.
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Kaiser Zoso
11:46 Mon Aug 2
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What a load of bollocks, it was all about ripping off the UK subscription paying football audience. That’s why 6 of the teams announced were Premier League.
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threesixty
11:41 Mon Aug 2
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Boris just jumped on an easy populist win. You think Roman would have gave a flying fuck about Boris? He would have had the Uk govt in court for years!
What bothered Roman, and US bods is the fans themselves. Multinational billionaires are only scared of 3 govts, USA, China and Russia. No one cares about european based politicians, especially the Brits who can be bought for a bag of sweets nowadays.
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Mad Dog
11:38 Mon Aug 2
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I still can't get over how disgusting this whole situation is.
These clubs tried to rape football, their fans and fuck over every other team in Europe.
And they're getting away with it.
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Kaiser Zoso
11:34 Mon Aug 2
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Yeah, having the ability to change tax legislation, laws etc compared to standing around lighting smoke bombs is a moot point.
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